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het Nieuwe Forum • Re: DamZ! 2017-2020: KNDB in transitie
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Vanavond in een huiskamer ergens in Nederland...

Statistics: Posted by Marcel Kosters — Sun Feb 16, 2020 20:57


2020-02-16T20:57:41+01:00



Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3

Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3
Sidiki, and to add to my previous post, I do basically nothing new, as JJ also mentioned in another threat.
What I do is building upon the work of many others, and within the Draughts community that is basically Fabien and Ed.
These people should get the rewards and credits.....

So I hope that some of my evaluation ideas work, so others can further built on these.....

Bert

Statistics: Posted by BertTuyt — Sun Feb 16, 2020 19:31


2020-02-16T19:31:25+01:00



Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3

Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3
Sidiki, in this graph, I did not include the first data point , which was learning based upon 1.368.286 games.
I mentioned that in a previous post.

This version played 2 Win , 1 Loss, and 155 draw against Scan.
So I assume that this statistics is not enough, I still consider Scan the better program, and especially with smaller time settings, I expect Scan to beat Damage. Maybe I might do that test later.

But at normal tournament timing I guess both are in the same league.

I have still have some ideas to make the evaluation function even faster (not necessary better), and will share results in the weeks to come.

Bert

Statistics: Posted by BertTuyt — Sun Feb 16, 2020 19:27


2020-02-16T19:37:57+01:00



Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3

Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3
Kryszstof, if you mean an opening book, Im not sure if I have time to add one, it is on my list of things to do, but maybe not before this tournament.
It will use the Damage endgame DBs, which is 7P.

Bert
Great,
I see that you have job "under the hand"
So Damage use learning !?
The program seem to be already strong. The graph you posted, perspective for Scan is't the latest test before the 158 dxp gammes done of after ?

Sidiki

Statistics: Posted by Sidiki — Sun Feb 16, 2020 19:20


2020-02-16T19:20:28+01:00



Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3

Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3
Thank you for your answer Bert.

Statistics: Posted by Krzysztof Grzelak — Sun Feb 16, 2020 18:19


2020-02-16T18:19:08+01:00



Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3

Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3
Kryszstof, if you mean an opening book, Im not sure if I have time to add one, it is on my list of things to do, but maybe not before this tournament.
It will use the Damage endgame DBs, which is 7P.

Bert

Statistics: Posted by BertTuyt — Sun Feb 16, 2020 18:07


2020-02-16T18:07:28+01:00



Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3

Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3
As shared in a previous post Im now testing the impact of the number of learning games (on which the weights file is based upon) on playing strength.
So far I have finalized 158 game matches for 10K, 40K, and 160K learning games.

See table below. in is from the perspective of Scan 3.1.
I did not further analyze the unknown games.

CODE:

GamesWDLUTGamesELO100007976031580195200000140000281280215826380000031600005151021584113200000564000006128000007
From this table it seems that around 160 games, one could enter a saturation zone for this evaluation.
Think this was a similar number as Fabien also mentioned.
I now will start a 20K learning games match to better understand the left side slope of the curve.

See also attached graph. Not all data point yet available.
elo.png

Bert

Statistics: Posted by BertTuyt — Sun Feb 16, 2020 18:04


2020-02-16T18:04:13+01:00



het Nieuwe Forum • Re: Dit Seizoen Nieuwe Viertallen Competitie op Zaterdag - Schrijf Nu In

het Nieuwe Forum • Re: Dit Seizoen Nieuwe Viertallen Competitie op Zaterdag - Schrijf Nu In
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In de derde ronde gisteren won SNA Heerhugowaard (links op de foto) met 18-14 van de Haarlemse Damclub.
Zijn er ook detailuitslagen van?
Gisteren heb ik hiernaar gevraagd, detailuitslagen volgen normaliter binnenkort.

Statistics: Posted by Marcel Kosters — Sun Feb 16, 2020 18:01


2020-02-16T18:01:24+01:00



Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3

Draughts, Computer, Internet • Re: Damage 15.3
Bert and Damage will be using the debut book.

Statistics: Posted by Krzysztof Grzelak — Sun Feb 16, 2020 17:59


2020-02-16T17:59:28+01:00



het Nieuwe Forum • Re: Dit Seizoen Nieuwe Viertallen Competitie op Zaterdag - Schrijf Nu In

het Nieuwe Forum • Re: Dit Seizoen Nieuwe Viertallen Competitie op Zaterdag - Schrijf Nu In
snahdc.jpg

In de derde ronde gisteren won SNA Heerhugowaard (links op de foto) met 18-14 van de Haarlemse Damclub.
Zijn er ook detailuitslagen van?

Statistics: Posted by Alex — Sun Feb 16, 2020 17:58


2020-02-16T17:58:05+01:00